Tim Goeppinger via wsjt-devel
2017-07-18 19:56:28 UTC
I think FT8 has a bright future for VHF Contests and Field Day, but I really struggled with it in the CQ WW VHF contest last weekend.
I believe I have discovered a bug that affects the couple of dozen hams who go roving in VHF Contests.  The contest rules say that as a rover,
we must use /R after our callsign. I entered N6GP/R and my grid into WSJT-8, and tried FT8 during the contest a bit.  I had Autosequencing turned on, and I kept getting stuck in the signal report part of the QSO.  I was receiving signal report, and sending a report over and over again. My QSOs were almost taking as much time to complete as a JT65 QSO!
I emailed Pat, N6RMJ, with whom I had one of these elongated FT8 QSOs.  I asked if there was some problem with my signal, and he said no. I asked him to provide our QSO out of his ALL.TXT file.
N6RMJ is running WSJT-X V 1.8 r 14 with Win 7 Pro
Here are the QSO exchanges from the N6RMJ perspective
170716_193445 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: CQ N6RMJ DM14      Â
193500 -10Â 0.6 1639 ~Â N6RMJ N6GP DM14Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193515 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: N6GP N6RMJ -10     Â
193530Â -9Â 0.1 1777 ~Â DE N6GP/R R-15Â Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193545 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: N6GP N6RMJ -10     Â
193600Â -9Â 0.6 1704 ~Â DE N6GP/R R+00Â Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193615 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: N6GP N6RMJ -10     Â
170716_193615 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: N6GP N6RMJ RRR     Â
193630Â -9Â 0.6 1633 ~Â DE N6GP/R R-19Â Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193645 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: N6GP N6RMJ RRR     Â
193700 -10Â 0.6 1705 ~Â DE N6GP/R 73Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193715 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: N6GP N6RMJ 73
It appears that something went wrong with his autosequencer at 19:35:45 and 19:36:15 because it was not seeing my signal reports and continued to send his signal reports.  Looks like he manually intervened during the 19:36:15 transmission with a mouse click to send the RRR.Â
I am not fully versed on how the autosequencer works. but for whatever reason, the "DE N6GP/R R-15" seemed to cause the problem. Is the problem that the N6RMJ callsign is omitted, or that my callsign changed from the original N6GP to N6GP/R ?
For completeness, here is my side of the QSO from my ALL.TXT
N6GP/R running WSJT-X 1.8.0 rc1Â with Window 7 Starter
193445Â -4 -0.1 1739 ~Â CQ N6RMJ DM14Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193500 Transmitting 50.313 MHz FT8: N6RMJ N6GP DM14    Â
193515Â -5 -0.1 1739 ~Â N6GP N6RMJ -10Â Â Â Â Â Â
 170716_193530 Transmitting 50.313 MHz FT8: DE N6GP/R R-15     Â
193545 -10 -0.1 1812 ~Â N6GP N6RMJ -10Â Â Â Â Â Â
 170716_193600 Transmitting 50.313 MHz FT8: DE N6GP/R R+00     Â
193615Â Â 0 -0.1 1740 ~Â N6GP N6RMJ -10Â Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193630 Transmitting 50.313 MHz FT8: DE N6GP/R R-19     Â
193645Â -9 -0.1 1740 ~Â N6GP N6RMJ RRRÂ Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193700 Transmitting 50.313 MHz FT8: DE N6GP/R 73
Tnx & 73,
Tim N6GP
I believe I have discovered a bug that affects the couple of dozen hams who go roving in VHF Contests.  The contest rules say that as a rover,
we must use /R after our callsign. I entered N6GP/R and my grid into WSJT-8, and tried FT8 during the contest a bit.  I had Autosequencing turned on, and I kept getting stuck in the signal report part of the QSO.  I was receiving signal report, and sending a report over and over again. My QSOs were almost taking as much time to complete as a JT65 QSO!
I emailed Pat, N6RMJ, with whom I had one of these elongated FT8 QSOs.  I asked if there was some problem with my signal, and he said no. I asked him to provide our QSO out of his ALL.TXT file.
N6RMJ is running WSJT-X V 1.8 r 14 with Win 7 Pro
Here are the QSO exchanges from the N6RMJ perspective
170716_193445 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: CQ N6RMJ DM14      Â
193500 -10Â 0.6 1639 ~Â N6RMJ N6GP DM14Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193515 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: N6GP N6RMJ -10     Â
193530Â -9Â 0.1 1777 ~Â DE N6GP/R R-15Â Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193545 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: N6GP N6RMJ -10     Â
193600Â -9Â 0.6 1704 ~Â DE N6GP/R R+00Â Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193615 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: N6GP N6RMJ -10     Â
170716_193615 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: N6GP N6RMJ RRR     Â
193630Â -9Â 0.6 1633 ~Â DE N6GP/R R-19Â Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193645 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: N6GP N6RMJ RRR     Â
193700 -10Â 0.6 1705 ~Â DE N6GP/R 73Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193715 Transmitting 50.31 MHz FT8: N6GP N6RMJ 73
It appears that something went wrong with his autosequencer at 19:35:45 and 19:36:15 because it was not seeing my signal reports and continued to send his signal reports.  Looks like he manually intervened during the 19:36:15 transmission with a mouse click to send the RRR.Â
I am not fully versed on how the autosequencer works. but for whatever reason, the "DE N6GP/R R-15" seemed to cause the problem. Is the problem that the N6RMJ callsign is omitted, or that my callsign changed from the original N6GP to N6GP/R ?
For completeness, here is my side of the QSO from my ALL.TXT
N6GP/R running WSJT-X 1.8.0 rc1Â with Window 7 Starter
193445Â -4 -0.1 1739 ~Â CQ N6RMJ DM14Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193500 Transmitting 50.313 MHz FT8: N6RMJ N6GP DM14    Â
193515Â -5 -0.1 1739 ~Â N6GP N6RMJ -10Â Â Â Â Â Â
 170716_193530 Transmitting 50.313 MHz FT8: DE N6GP/R R-15     Â
193545 -10 -0.1 1812 ~Â N6GP N6RMJ -10Â Â Â Â Â Â
 170716_193600 Transmitting 50.313 MHz FT8: DE N6GP/R R+00     Â
193615Â Â 0 -0.1 1740 ~Â N6GP N6RMJ -10Â Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193630 Transmitting 50.313 MHz FT8: DE N6GP/R R-19     Â
193645Â -9 -0.1 1740 ~Â N6GP N6RMJ RRRÂ Â Â Â Â Â
170716_193700 Transmitting 50.313 MHz FT8: DE N6GP/R 73
Tnx & 73,
Tim N6GP